HAHAHAHAA

The amount of desperation by CCP is comical.

here is how you get people to resub and play

"Dear vets, jump fatigue and SP trading were terrible mistakes, we are sorry, please resub your 15 accounts and we'll make it all go away.

Until then, thanks but no thanks.

ps.

"You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old. You can post a new one in 88 seconds."

what the hell is this garbage?

Okay. I'm down with the f2p aspect of this but your application of clone types is short sighted.

I have 6 chars spread over 2 accounts, and because I like to multi-box occasionally I have spent the last few years giving the alts some useful skills. Cloaking/Mining/Scanning/Combat and PI (I notice that alphas cannot do PI) They have been contributing in their own way to this game, for some, as long as 10 years. Okay they are not overwhelmed with skill points ranging between 450k to 30M sps but your proposal effectively neuters them. The Primary chars will be the Omega chars by default, and the alts on each account will become Alphas. No cloaking or PI and limited everything else. Cheers.

I'm not even sure there is a work around. If alt A wants to initiate PI, do I have to change them to omega clone then set the PI. If I then log on alt B make them Omega, will it halt the PI of alt A.

If your going down this route, I want a 3rd clone state. If an account is active (plex/sub'd) *Omega and Theta clones are in effect.
If an account is inactive (no plex/sub'd) clones are alpha.

Revised States

Omega clone. Active skill training. All Skills.
Theta clone. No skill training. All Skills.
Alpha clone. Reduced skill training. Reduced skills.

That is all.

Q: What happens if my training queue contains Omega skills but I am in Alpha State?

A: We will pause your training queue and it will need to be manually restarted once the Omega skills are removed or the subscription is renewed.

so if i let my sub lapse do to work my skill que is going to stop training, im sorry thats bullshit.
This game will be going the way of the titanic like every other mmo thats tried this.

how i think alpha accounts should be restricted

1. all races can cross train so new players can get a proper taste of eve online but only upto cruiser and medium sized weapons at level 3

2. restrict the max skill level for alphas to 3 for all the primary skills - max level 5 for drone operation skill but max level 4 for all other drone related skills. cannot train heavy drones or fighters (to stop people using geckos)

3. make all t2 modules require level 4 or higher

4. make all bc or larger ships require spaceship command 4

5. make all t2/t3 ships require at least 1 level 5 skill

6. mining barges/exumers/orca/freighters/jf/capitals cannot be used on alpha accounts

7. entosis, cloak, and cyno mods cannot be used on alpha accounts

8. pi is limited to level 2 command centers and level 2 inter planetary and level 2 remote sensing (max 3 pi colonies)

9. only one alpha account per computer can log in at any one time

10. alpha accounts can train mining frig 2

11. alpha accounts cannot create corporations or alliances but can join existing ones however they cannot be ceo of an existing corp or alliance.

12. alpha accounts cannot anchor structures larger than MTU or Mobile Depot

13. alpha accounts cannot assign/drones to other players

14. alpha accounts cannot do t2 invention/copy blueprints etc

15. alpha accounts cannot build t2/t3 or capital ships

16. alpha accounts cannot have more than 5 buy orders or 10 sell orders at any one time.

17. alpha accounts are forced to safety green in high sec (however accepting a duel or can baiting is allowed)

This is bad! You can't reverse this decision. Pandora's box on steroids.

PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW TRAINING ON ANY SKILL PAST LEVEL 1 AT LEAST!!!! That will limit the damage these "free players" can do.

lol how many of us have laptops capable of playing eve in addition to our gaming rig?

i know i have 3 laptops in addition to my gaming rig.

only if they limit it by IP address will they be able to regulate it into uselessness.

still doesnt stop a player from using free alts as ammo dumps.

fit up a t1 hauler with t1 expanders scout your free alt into the area you intend to do PVE and pvp

have them filled up with extra ammo and hull reps/ armor reps. log them off.
now when you are in a region you only have to fly to the system you logged your alt off in
log your alt in. have it jetison the ammo or repairers you need and then log off again.

could save a crap ton of time for mission runners and pvpers who dont want to fly all the way home to refit and repair.

we will find ways to use them . i can already see myself having at least 3 of them just for ammo dumps in the regions i operate in. maybe another as an uncloaky scout/ scanning ship.

Nope. CCP have confirmed that the Gnosis is available for use. Oh, right. It wasn't clarified in this thread, in the dev post, or anywhere on the eveonline.com domain, where it might be easily seen or found by players of EVE Online, the game CCP created. IT WAS CLARIFIED ON REDDIT.

CCP, please. Posting information to Reddit instead of your own bloody site is frustrating and insulting. It's enough of a challenge to sift through multiple threads and dev blogs to put together relevant information. Having to include Reddit in that search (actually, going to Reddit first instead the official site) is just silly. At the very least, cross-post the information to both sites. It won't hurt to put a link in the thread dedicated to the subject (ie., this one) pointing to the question that was answered, either.

In case this was not asked: For the char and alts that were trained up from 0 skills on the current subscription plan, will the new free clone skills be reimbursed per char if we've already spent the time and real life money to train them?

I think the alpha clone idea could be a good thing for eve. It will provide more pilotGÇÖs in eve, more life in eve. Some of these alpha pilotGÇÖs will be good for eve and some bad.

A Few minor thoughts
Most solo freighters will now be able to have a scout
Every roam will have a suicide scout.
Gankers can have a character ready to go in every trade route.
Every Duel will have a neut suicide logi ready to warp in.
I am not sure if the added pilots will add any quality to eve.

A few minor thoughts about passive game play that may, or may not, have been made.
Probably have been made.

My concerns are really with clone going from alpha to omega, learning skills and doing a job, then dropping back to alpha.
PI . learn 5+ planets with good command center while an omega and then going to alpha. Can they control 5+ planets and can they control a good command center? I would hope only 1 planets, and cannot control a good command center.

Manufacturer and Science jobs that have been learnt while at omega and have submitted 10+ jobs and then going to alpha. Can they then deliver the jobs which they donGÇÖt have skills to submit? I would hope they cant deliver any jobs they donGÇÖt have skills to submit.

This could be any tech 2 job or 6 month research job

This is also really important for long time research jobs, as this will kill the copy business of high send BPOGÇÖs, particularly on long time research like capital or structure ME etc.

Although to submit a 2nd time the account will need to be an omega again. And you could sort of do this now on a 2nd account, but this just makes it so much easier.

This clone change could be good or bad.
Lots of these alpha pvp pilots will leave as they will be outgunned I fear.


Cheers

This, This, This.

Happy to see EvE has responded to challenge provided by Elite and SC with soon upcoming (more wider range of) planetary landings.

Great idea for those who don't play often enough to justify a continuous subscription.

With that said, I made a post in Features and Ideas, that I will also leave here.


Create a New Micro-Plex Shorter term Subscription or Omega State 3 Day pass. Sell them in bulk packs of 10 for $19. and let buyers sell them on the open market, just like Plex 30 day passes are now.

I would buy a pack as it would last me 3 or 4 months of game play, at my random login pace.

Best wishes, for an otherwise decent idea that could grow into something more realistic.

There is a contingent in this discussion that are worried that the game will be perceived as Pay-to-Win by the new players coming in under the supposed Free-to-Play mode.

Their argument is that it is not really Free-to-Play, but more of an unlimited trial period. You can play as long as you want without opening your wallet, but there are hard constraints on what ships and skills you can use in game if you opt for this option. And to move beyond these limitations...get out the credit card.

There is some validity to what they are saying, but then again EVE is not like most other games that are Free-to-Play in that they lack the spontaneous order/emergence aspect that comes with EVE.

My example has been World of Tanks with is both Free-to-Play and Pay-to-Win also does not allow for much Spontaneous Order either. The matches are controlled by a Match Maker and there is a fixed number of players on each side. So things like spying, corp thefts, etc. are largely not an issue.

You still have not answered my question and you are just putting words into my mouth. Nowhere did I say that the game should be fully available for alpha players. I simply pointed out that your argument makes no sense in the given context, because the 5 million sp limit will not stop people from using the skill injector path if that is what they want to do. In my last post added that they should at least be able to cross train.

The reason for that is quite simple: When you start EvE you most likely have no idea what the strength or weaknesses of certain races. Which weapon systems different races use and the slight differences in playstyles that are better suited for certain weapon systems. Giving new players at least the chance to explore them all with one char is quite different from saying that people should be able to enjoy the full game for free.

Go ahead and get into rookie help for some time and see how many new pilots are already complaining about the long training times, while now they train at the same rate as subs and can easily just switch to another races ships if they do not like their initial choice. With the current plan for alphas they have to completly start over again and have to train skills they already trained on their first char and on top of that at a slower rate than now. I can assure you, this will not be very motivating from my experience of working with new eve players for many years.

I remember when I started Eve I knew it takes years to train the skills.
That was actually the biggest reason I started Eve, I wanted to play a game that isn't over in six months like majority of games today.
When I ask why someone doesn't play Eve is that they worry that it takes 25 years to train everything to max level,
and they could never catch those who have started earlier.

Most new players don't understand that the reason why they can't do mission X or win that pvp fight is that they
don't have corpmates who fly with them, not the lack of skills.

I'm not sure if this is covered so here's my opinion about multiboxing.
I think you should not be allowed to log in more than one alpha clone at the time.
The alpha clone is targeted to new players and they need to learn that if they need more than one ship, well they need friends then not multiple accounts what they use to solo for six months and then quit Eve because it's boring.

If an old player with multiple accounts wants to look what Eve is now,
well he doesn't need more than one account at the time for that or to sell assets to plex or just to chat with old corpmates.

You shouldn't be allowed to log in an alpha clone with omega clone(s).
You are not allowed to do it with trial accounts either.

Well, the technical aspects of this might be impossible...but from a theory stand point....

Limit it to 1 Alpha acount or

1 Alpha account/Omega Account?

Why on earth would they do that? Unsub their mains that is.

So if we already have an active account, doe this mean other alts on same account cant use there skills they have trained for specific tasks?

Or does this only apply to completely unsubbed accounts?